Kezay Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Pretty good breakdown of things to date Anyway, I plan on getting the game the day it comes out, just not entirely sure when I'll actually get to play it. DLurkster 1 Quote Link to comment
DLurkster Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 I am getting the game but sort of the opposite of day, will buy when I can so that is when I play is the same as actually play. Pretty good wrap up of the strings of events around the Bayonetta 3 fiasco. It is truly multifaceted and as the article above stated there's no winners or losers here. Just initial misinformation, omission of some events wrapped in a cause that was suppose to highlight video game VA pay not given their worth, turn bitter for one, got the better themselves and the message for video game VA pay got muddle with corporations, the ppl involved, (Kamiya, Hellena, and Jennifer) and gamers and ppl in general jumping to conclusions when all the facts weren't present. A real lost in translation, as all got caught in these different aspects, when the sole reason for all of this again was to bring light to video game VA as a whole needs more recognition somehow. Quote Link to comment
Ridley Prime Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) On 10/18/2022 at 7:11 PM, Tyranogre said: If it turns out Helena really was lying, then not only has she put herself on a blacklist for breaking NDA over a lie, but also cast a shadow over the efforts of her peers in the voice acting industry who've spent this entire year fighting tooth-and-nail for fair wages and union representation. We live in an era where a fucking YouTube content creator gets paid more for shilling Raid Shadow Legends than dedicated voice actors get paid for starring in the most financially-successful anime movie since Your Name. And that's only if they're lucky enough to even be asked to reprise their role to begin with instead of being replaced by Chris Pratt. Like, I get where Hellena is coming from. She brought this character to life; Bayonetta is like her daughter. And I say that as someone who goes to a lot of conventions and talks to a lot of voice actors. But her career isn't the only one that could be on the line due to this whole fiasco. Whelp. Was hoping she wasn't lying for the reasons you mentioned, but I guess she wasn't considering the ramifications. At least there's no guilt whatsoever in getting Bayonetta 3 now, but the whole situation's still fucked and will forever taint the game/series for fans to some level. Edited October 24, 2022 by Ridley Prime Tyranogre and Link, the Hero of Dreams 2 Quote Link to comment
Tyranogre Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 "Some people are calling me a liar. Anyway, here's a list of all the stuff I lied about." Quote Link to comment
Ridley Prime Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 What’s funny is if Kamiya wasn’t being his usual impulsive jackass self, this whole thing could’ve been over sooner. He likely had a means of showing some kind of proof that Hellena was lying. Kamiya has only himself to blame for making people side with Hellena initially with how he was being about it all. I still see him as a manchild at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment
blcdude1 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Yup, Kamiya really shot himself in the foot with that initial response. It’s a damn shame how this turned out because voice actors are often undervalued and underpaid. Link, the Hero of Dreams 1 Quote Link to comment
Kezay Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Just curious, what exactly would we be expecting Kamiya to show to combat what Hellena was claiming? Quote Link to comment
Tyranogre Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, Kezay said: Just curious, what exactly would we be expecting Kamiya to show to combat what Hellena was claiming? Either Kamiya or someone else at Platinum should have had a written document detailing the amount Helena was offered, along with proof that she rejected it. Unless an NDA is preventing the release of said document, all Kamiya would've had to do is share a screenshot of it. Quote Link to comment
Kezay Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, Tyranogre said: Either Kamiya or someone else at Platinum should have had a written document detailing the amount Helena was offered, along with proof that she rejected it. Unless an NDA is preventing the release of said document, all Kamiya would've had to do is share a screenshot of it. Honestly, that's not something likely to happen even if Kamiya wanted to and not even just from an NDA perspective. That would be like your boss publicly sharing your compensation documentation on social media as a way to combat you claiming you were being paid less than what you actually were. DLurkster 1 Quote Link to comment
DLurkster Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 The ball went to Hellena after she said she wants to put this behind from the Bloomberg report. I get to defend yourself no matter your position or temperament but we're back to who said this and who said that. The no winners and losers and both to me are innocent till one is proven guilty, we need some sort of 3rd party with no stake in either case that has a account on the events here. The closet thing to that were the 2 unnamed sources of Bloomberg. Regardless where any stands and ppl are welcome ask those sources to come open, as we should know with journalist can't burn the trust of sources just to settle a matter once and for all. I'm all for anyone not for corps and what they do and yeah, I'm leaning on the sources but the things Hellena have said from the start and now just gets more and more damning for her. Again, all for stating ones truth but when it's obvious that pieces of information not only are mixed up but left out first and amended to support her and barely matches with stuff she said is not true from Bloomberg, isn't a good look and that's all I will say. Kezay 1 Quote Link to comment
Shadow118 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Only 3 days away from release - not too many days left I’ll buy it eventually- still haven’t finished the first one and haven’t even touched Bayonetta 2 yet So will be awhile until then Haven’t played the first one in awhile- been slacking on that for a few months (one of many games, anyway….) Plus i still need to get a bigger Micro SD card since i have absolutely little to no space for it on my current Switch… DLurkster and Kezay 2 Quote Link to comment
Kezay Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 5 hours ago, DLurkster said: The ball went to Hellena after she said she wants to put this behind from the Bloomberg report. I get to defend yourself no matter your position or temperament but we're back to who said this and who said that. The no winners and losers and both to me are innocent till one is proven guilty, we need some sort of 3rd party with no stake in either case that has a account on the events here. The closet thing to that were the 2 unnamed sources of Bloomberg. Regardless where any stands and ppl are welcome ask those sources to come open, as we should know with journalist can't burn the trust of sources just to settle a matter once and for all. I'm all for anyone not for corps and what they do and yeah, I'm leaning on the sources but the things Hellena have said from the start and now just gets more and more damning for her. Again, all for stating ones truth but when it's obvious that pieces of information not only are mixed up but left out first and amended to support her and barely matches with stuff she said is not true from Bloomberg, isn't a good look and that's all I will say. Hellena opened the door to this conversation and beyond her statement piece and plea to action was also the lack of detail around the compensation provided and the commanding ownership of the character. Now that we have details that run counter to her claims the onus is on her to further emphasize what exactly is it that she was wanting from this. Because, and I know how this is going to sound, the more this goes on the less I believe that Hellena was truly intending to rally around the conversation of where the industry is failing its workers and more around how she perceives the industry (or in this case Nintendo/Platinum) is failing her. Speaking as an individual that has wants and needs I don't fault her for that, but now we're hearing that she was only telling part of the story and wanting to just put this all behind her as the conversation started to take a turn. It's difficult to even want to rally around her when the door she forcefully opened she now wants to quietly walk back through leaving everyone she entreated to the discussion to manage it for her. I also disagree with the no winners and losers part, because there are arguably some losers here. I don't know how this sort of thing travels in networking circles but Hellena's slate of work is already not extensive and could have potentially damaged her brand going forward; but that's self inflicted so she gets to own that. But you now have a controversy that will be a part of the Bayonetta series' DNA for a while yet to come. You have Jennifer Hale who was unfairly pulled into this madness and while I don't think there will be any damage to her career she basically got to be the punching bag as the "not Bayonetta" because of Hellena's initial comments. You have Hideki Kamiya he will probably ultimately not care in the end but for everything about him people criticize him for there is now a faction of people who have no problem being blatantly and openly terrible towards him leveraging this situation as reason enough to basically attack him personally. You have other voice actors and personalities in the industry who have been fighting for the kind of support that Hellena falsely represented and the blowback from that is in no way a step towards progress in their fight to overcome those challenges. That last one being the worst of them all because that was the platform Hellena implied she was fighting for when all of this started and everything that has happened since then has done nothing but undo whatever message she thought she was promoting. DLurkster 1 Quote Link to comment
DLurkster Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, Kezay said: Hellena opened the door to this conversation and beyond her statement piece and plea to action was also the lack of detail around the compensation provided and the commanding ownership of the character. Now that we have details that run counter to her claims the onus is on her to further emphasize what exactly is it that she was wanting from this. Because, and I know how this is going to sound, the more this goes on the less I believe that Hellena was truly intending to rally around the conversation of where the industry is failing its workers and more around how she perceives the industry (or in this case Nintendo/Platinum) is failing her. Speaking as an individual that has wants and needs I don't fault her for that, but now we're hearing that she was only telling part of the story and wanting to just put this all behind her as the conversation started to take a turn. It's difficult to even want to rally around her when the door she forcefully opened she now wants to quietly walk back through leaving everyone she entreated to the discussion to manage it for her. I also disagree with the no winners and losers part, because there are arguably some losers here. I don't know how this sort of thing travels in networking circles but Hellena's slate of work is already not extensive and could have potentially damaged her brand going forward; but that's self inflicted so she gets to own that. But you now have a controversy that will be a part of the Bayonetta series' DNA for a while yet to come. You have Jennifer Hale who was unfairly pulled into this madness and while I don't think there will be any damage to her career she basically got to be the punching bag as the "not Bayonetta" because of Hellena's initial comments. You have Hideki Kamiya he will probably ultimately not care in the end but for everything about him people criticize him for there is now a faction of people who have no problem being blatantly and openly terrible towards him leveraging this situation as reason enough to basically attack him personally. You have other voice actors and personalities in the industry who have been fighting for the kind of support that Hellena falsely represented and the blowback from that is in no way a step towards progress in their fight to overcome those challenges. That last one being the worst of them all because that was the platform Hellena implied she was fighting for when all of this started and everything that has happened since then has done nothing but undo whatever message she thought she was promoting. Well you teared me a new one with that 2nd paragraph and you're right. This is where I say I am not right but what you brought with all the angles, ppl and industry is in a long term look that there's no winner. I am realist to see that and recognize that, where I was just going off the article you posted at top of this page of no winners and loser in short term right now as there's no truth right now what is what. That is what I meant by no winners or loser, does that make sense to you? Also, what I mean by all parties involved are innocent until one is proven guilty (some more than Hellena and PG) Yeah, what truth will do is bring light what really transpired and bring better dialog to the pay discrepancy to VA in the video game industry. She unfortunately really set this back with her muddled messaging and intent to some regard. There was some merit and why I said muddled message so there was a message but got lost in so much turmoil. (and rightful so but could of been handled better) Even tho she started off muddled, matters weren't made better when ppl are wondering when the other side came out with their event thinks they could be lying to cover themselves. That's a possibility and why I go back to the present not aftermath to come, there's no winner or losers right now. Kezay 1 Quote Link to comment
Kezay Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 LOL, well the intention with the second paragraph wasn't to tear you a new one; just highlighting why I disagreed and why there are losers in this situation. Others may very well disagree with me and that's perfectly fine; I like the discussion all the same. And you're right; I don't want to imply that Hellena is necessarily guilty insofar that she intentionally deceived people but it's pretty clear that she wasn't being completely forthcoming about the situation until she basically had to speak more to those details. But I do believe that the emotional charge behind her initial message created a false narrative of what was going on and as more information came out the conversation began to snowball in a way that she could no longer control what she created and it eventually turned on her. Quote Link to comment
blcdude1 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 I’d add there must be at least one winner in this situation. A side effect of all this talk and attention on Bayonetta 3 was sales. During this whole controversy, the game was sold out on Amazon in the US, UK and other countries. It certainly brought eyes on the series. DLurkster 1 Quote Link to comment
DLurkster Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 hours ago, blcdude1 said: I’d add there must be at least one winner in this situation. A side effect of all this talk and attention on Bayonetta 3 was sales. During this whole controversy, the game was sold out on Amazon in the US, UK and other countries. It certainly brought eyes on the series. That one side for those who want get the game as fan of the series and even if they don't know it they help those who develop these games as well. If you really sit down and think about the affects of one actions will have more far reaching intentions then initially thought. Quote Link to comment
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