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3 hours ago, Ridley Prime said:

Not my favorite Bond personally, but RIP nonetheless. We lost Roger Moore sooner. 

 

Ehh

 

Not to sidebar the convo too much but  

 

Lazenby was the only kind of lame Bond even if his movie was one of the more interesting ones in terms of plot and character ties.

 

Dalton never got a great shot because while I still think The Living Daylights is great, I liked the darker tone of License to Kill.  He should have gotten at least one to two more movies under his belt.

 

Brosnan started strong but the over budget and campy end to his tenure kind of hurt him IMO, even if I think Goldeneye is one of the best Bonds ever.

 

I am really digging Craig's seriousness though....

 

I like a lot of Roger Moore's Bond movies but he was still involved with the travesty of Moonraker and Live and Let Die, IMO two of the worst ones in the franchise.

 

I can only fault Connery for two things as Bond, Diamonds are Forever ( I didn't like that one) and the paycheck movie of Never Say Never Again....  even if I liked NSNA as a movie, it was a poor man's homage  to his better work in Thunderball, a much superior movie.

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Not to downplay this Bond discussion, but... He was Indiana Jones’ father to me, and the dragon from Dragon Heart. I never watched any of his Bond movies, so can’t comment on it.

 

Regardless he had quite a storied career. Did he win an Oscar for his performance in the Untouchables? Anyway, at 90 years, he saw a lot of stuff, man. May he rest in peace, indeed.

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14 minutes ago, DranSeasona said:

Not to downplay this Bond discussion, but... He was Indiana Jones’ father to me, and the dragon from Dragon Heart. I never watched any of his Bond movies, so can’t comment on it.

 

Regardless he had quite a storied career. Did he win an Oscar for his performance in the Untouchables? Anyway, at 90 years, he saw a lot of stuff, man. May he rest in peace, indeed.

 

I liked Entrapment as well as The Hunt for Red October and the classic The Rock!

 

Props to you for bringing up The Untouchables.

 

Yup, Indy's dad--classic role IMO.

 

On Dragonheart, which I have seen, did he do the voice for any of its sequels?  I only ever saw the first one.

 

FWIW, I didn't necessarily dislike League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

 

If want a weird 70s scifi movie then check him out in Zardoz.... man.... that one was of a different breed.

 

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Cool tribute.

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2 hours ago, purple_beard said:

 

Ehh

 

Not to sidebar the convo too much but  

 

Lazenby was the only kind of lame Bond even if his movie was one of the more interesting ones in terms of plot and character ties.

 

Dalton never got a great shot because while I still think The Living Daylights is great, I liked the darker tone of License to Kill.  He should have gotten at least one to two more movies under his belt.

 

Brosnan started strong but the over budget and campy end to his tenure kind of hurt him IMO, even if I think Goldeneye is one of the best Bonds ever.

 

I am really digging Craig's seriousness though....

 

I like a lot of Roger Moore's Bond movies but he was still involved with the travesty of Moonraker and Live and Let Die, IMO two of the worst ones in the franchise.

 

I can only fault Connery for two things as Bond, Diamonds are Forever ( I didn't like that one) and the paycheck movie of Never Say Never Again....  even if I liked NSNA as a movie, it was a poor man's homage  to his better work in Thunderball, a much superior movie.

 

I liked Live and Let Die, but Moonraker was the mistake of Bond uncharacteristically going all sci-fi with the rise debut of Star Wars at the time. Brosnan's sendoff Die Another Day, I would argue was actually worse, which is a shame given the strong start his Bond had as pointed out.

 

Pretty much have the same sentiments on Connery's films, but yeah. Craig has some great films behind him too, but his Bond's characterization I find a bit boring, though just a nitpick.

 

My introduction to Bond in general was the hit N64 game, which first got me to check out the movie it was based on, and then the older films and getting to appreciate them retroactively. A shame the Bond gaming license is so slept on now, but Activision couldn't match the nostalgia success of Goldeneye, so I kinda get it.

 

And to answer your question on the Dragonheart thing, Connery voiced the dragon in the first film. The dragons in the sequels had others voicing them like Patrick Stewert, and so forth. All the Dragonheart films are decent imo, but the first one's more or less the most memorable, even if its effects didn't age the best.

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20 hours ago, Ridley Prime said:

 

My introduction to Bond in general was the hit N64 game, which first got me to check out the movie it was based on, and then the older films and getting to appreciate them retroactively. A shame the Bond gaming license is so slept on now, but Activision couldn't match the nostalgia success of Goldeneye, so I kinda get it.

 

 

 

Welk, at the time I was growing up, I remember Octopussy being covered by some Nickelodeon show hosted by Leonard Nimoy about movies/movie making.  Then, during that time (and they still do it) TBS (or TNT?) would do a week of Bond twice a year and I would catch those as well as I had friends who watched them before I started to were talking about them.  I got hooked from that point onward.  My first theater Bond was The Living Daylights for my 12th birthday LOL.  My mom had to take me for License to Kill.  Goldeneye was the first one I saw with my own money.  I was never into the video games even if I did play a little bit of Goldeneye on N64 via friends.  I loved the gadgets, globe trotting, spy stuff, humor, and action.

 

I think Craig's Bond is the way it is versus the others as his is the tale of him becoming Bond with MI6 and then via the last few movies how he's tied into Blofield where as in all the previous incarnations he was already "in" so to speak and SPECTRE/Blowfield was already established as his overarching nemesis organization.  I am kind of glad they they took a break for a good while from SPECTRE and Blowfield but I did think with how Craig's Bond story arc was going it was the right play to bring all that back into the fold of the narrative. 

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23 hours ago, DranSeasona said:

Not to downplay this Bond discussion, but... He was Indiana Jones’ father to me, and the dragon from Dragon Heart. I never watched any of his Bond movies, so can’t comment on it.

 

Regardless he had quite a storied career. Did he win an Oscar for his performance in the Untouchables? Anyway, at 90 years, he saw a lot of stuff, man. May he rest in peace, indeed.

Same here in regards to the latter. He was really good in Dragonheart.

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On 10/31/2020 at 8:26 PM, purple_beard said:

 

Ehh

 

Not to sidebar the convo too much but  

 

Lazenby was the only kind of lame Bond even if his movie was one of the more interesting ones in terms of plot and character ties.

 

Dalton never got a great shot because while I still think The Living Daylights is great, I liked the darker tone of License to Kill.  He should have gotten at least one to two more movies under his belt.

 

Brosnan started strong but the over budget and campy end to his tenure kind of hurt him IMO, even if I think Goldeneye is one of the best Bonds ever.

 

I am really digging Craig's seriousness though....

 

I like a lot of Roger Moore's Bond movies but he was still involved with the travesty of Moonraker and Live and Let Die, IMO two of the worst ones in the franchise.

 

I can only fault Connery for two things as Bond, Diamonds are Forever ( I didn't like that one) and the paycheck movie of Never Say Never Again....  even if I liked NSNA as a movie, it was a poor man's homage  to his better work in Thunderball, a much superior movie.

Allow me to sidebar your sidebar a bit!

 

Lazenby was always my least favorite Bond actor, even though I enjoyed OHMSS well enough.

 

Moore, again, was a very hit and miss Bond actor. While I loved The Spy Who Loved Me, For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy, and A View To A Kill, Live And Let Die, TMWTGG, and Moonraker were all pretty bad, though I'll give L&LD a pass since it was Moores' first film. 

 

Dalton has always been my 2nd favorite Bond actor, due in large part to my love of License To Kill, which is in my Top 5 favorite Bond films!

 

Brosnan was always hit and miss with me. While Goldeneye is in my Top 5 Bond films, and The World is Not Enough is a decent enough action movie in it's own right, Tomorrow Dies was such a dreary mess of a movie, while the less said about Die Another Day the better. 

 

Craig, like Brosnan, is very hit and miss with me. While I love Casino Royale and Skyfall, 2 of my favorite Bond movies, Quantum of Solace was such a nothing of a movie, while Spectre was just okay. I am very much excited for No Time To Die, though! 

 

Finally, we get to Connery. Look, I love Connery as much as the next Bond fan. But let me run though his films real quick.

Dr. No: As the first Bond film, it's okay. It's definitely bested by pretty much everything that follows it, with maybe the exceptions being Diamonds Are Forever, Die Another Day, and Quantum of Solace. 

From Russia With Love: Was a fun enough sophomore outing that felt a bit too much like an Alfred Hitchcock movie. 

Goldfinger: An absolute classic. 

Thunderball: A chore of a movie for me to sit through. 

You Only Live Twice: Like with Goldfinger, an absolute classic Bond adventure. 

Diamonds Are Forever: The only one of Connery's official films I just can't ever go back and re-watch, it's so bad. 

NSNA: Less said about this one, the better.

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No mention for The Man with the Golden Gun out of the Moore hits? smh

 

Far as Brosnan, loved Tomorrow Never Dies when it first came out, but one of those things that became less impressive for me over time, and it wasted Teri Hatcher. The World Is Not Enough holds up alright though, yeah.

 

Skyfall was probably the last one in general that I loved, while the others I just enjoyed on a liked it but didn't love it kind of level.

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On 11/12/2020 at 7:49 PM, Ridley Prime said:

No mention for The Man with the Golden Gun out of the Moore hits? smh

 

Far as Brosnan, loved Tomorrow Never Dies when it first came out, but one of those things that became less impressive for me over time, and it wasted Teri Hatcher. The World Is Not Enough holds up alright though, yeah.

 

Skyfall was probably the last one in general that I loved, while the others I just enjoyed on a liked it but didn't love it kind of level.

 

TMwtGG never was all that to me.  Not that I didn't like the premise of a super assassin testing his skills against Bond and arguably trying to recruit him.  I didn't mind the "duel" at the end pitting Scaramanga (sp?) vs Bond in going through his fun house.  I think some of its 70s shtick kind of wore on me.  Ohh, and FWIW, Maud Adams made her first Bond appearance here, her second was Octopussy in Octopussy.  I think her and the guy that was one of the villains in TLD as well as Bond's CIA contact in the Brosnan era movies were the only two times an actor appeared in the series twice with different roles each time.

 

I'm kind of with you on Terry Hatcher being wasted in TND, especially considering her tie in to Bond himself.  My only real beef with that movie was Carver and the Carver Media Group angle.  Like, its whole deal didn't feel super villain enough to me LOL.  I thought he was played well by the actor (name escaping me now) and I liked his henchmen, especially the guy at the hotel who stages murders and what not--and the other guy was a huge fan.  Yeoh was a pretty good partner and I think they could have done more with her considering her martial arts and action movie background.

 

In agreement that Skyfall is a top tier Bond movie.

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On 11/12/2020 at 4:48 PM, Samus2008 said:

Allow me to sidebar your sidebar a bit!

 

Lazenby was always my least favorite Bond actor, even though I enjoyed OHMSS well enough.

The movie's story arc was great.  The movie was pretty good.  But he gave off that one and done vibe--which is a shame as I said earlier because of the importance of some of the plot points in the movie.  He never got the chance to move into like or dislike category because of being a one off LOL.

 

Moore, again, was a very hit and miss Bond actor. While I loved The Spy Who Loved Me, For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy, and A View To A Kill, Live And Let Die, TMWTGG, and Moonraker were all pretty bad, though I'll give L&LD a pass since it was Moores' first film.

Man, we line up perfectly here.  However, AVtaK, to me, was mid tier of Moore's movies.  It had a lot of strong characters in key parts but somehow the movie felt lacking.  LaLD felt like an attempt for Bond to be in a Blaxploitation flick.  I thought the Tarot Card reader girl, Yaphet Koto's character (main villain), and the clawed henchmen were standout characters but the whole 70s Blaxploitation vibe to it kind of hurt it overall IMO.  TMWTGG had some interesting ideas but it felt kind of half baked.  Moonraker was flat out bad...  even Jaws was lame in it.  And his getting a girlfriend felt odd.  I just never thought the way the played the space race game in it felt right for a Bond adventure. 

 

Dalton has always been my 2nd favorite Bond actor, due in large part to my love of License To Kill, which is in my Top 5 favorite Bond films!

I liked Dalton's two a lot.  I didn't mind License to Kill being more serious and I thought Sanchez was a great villain.  I think he should have at least gotten do 1-2 more with how good TLD was LtK being a solid follow up.

 

Brosnan was always hit and miss with me. While Goldeneye is in my Top 5 Bond films, and The World is Not Enough is a decent enough action movie in it's own right, Tomorrow Dies was such a dreary mess of a movie, while the less said about Die Another Day the better. 

Heh.  Yeah, Goldeneye and TWINE were excellent.  TND was decent but could have been improved.  And DAD.... it felt like a continuous commercial for product placement and they botched the good building blocks they had like Halle Berry, Bond being locked up behind enemy lines, and a interesting futuristic weapon usage plot along with the futuristic cosmetic surgery thing but.... it just came across as a bad overblown budget movie.  The whole ice fortress and para-surfing in the Arctic was a step too far.  And I can't forget the diamond encrusted face of Zao.

 

Craig, like Brosnan, is very hit and miss with me. While I love Casino Royale and Skyfall, 2 of my favorite Bond movies, Quantum of Solace was such a nothing of a movie, while Spectre was just okay. I am very much excited for No Time To Die, though! 

I disagree about QoS.  With how CR ended, I thought the dig into the reach of the people behind the villain in CR was a good move.  The problem was, they didn't go far enough with how deep the rabbit hole went.  I think the femme fatale was a good move to have her tied in like she was.  I think what they needed to do to improve it was to get into "Quantum" more and drop some more nuggets about how extensive this whole enterprise was especially if they made the move to get into what became the next one SPECTRE.  SPECTRE had that feel of trying to be the superior follow up to an outstanding Skyfall but somehow the didn't quite execute the move into SPECTRE/Blowfield like they should have even if I found his ties to Bond to be one of the most interesting plays in the series.  No Time To Die is going to be a wild ride for sure.  And to go back to the beginning, I found CR to slow....but I liked it for it being about how Bond got his start and how this formed his relationship with M, Moneypenny, and Q.

 

Finally, we get to Connery. Look, I love Connery as much as the next Bond fan. But let me run though his films real quick.

Dr. No: As the first Bond film, it's okay. It's definitely bested by pretty much everything that follows it, with maybe the exceptions being Diamonds Are Forever, Die Another

Day, and Quantum of Solace. 

I think on the Doctor himself was a let down but I liked how they planted the seed of SPECTRE here.

From Russia With Love: Was a fun enough sophomore outing that felt a bit too much like an Alfred Hitchcock movie. 

I get you here.  It felt like a real long movie too.  I did like the whole underground Turkey though...

Goldfinger: An absolute classic. 

Auric was a cool villain, and his henchmen Oddjob too.  I kind of liked flipping the script on it not being about stealing the gold.

Thunderball: A chore of a movie for me to sit through. 

Man, I LOVE Thunderball.  Cool SPECTRE scenes.  Although, the one thing that always bugged me about it was the fact that ____ female assasin looked so close to Domino that it felt like it was the same girl in two parts.

You Only Live Twice: Like with Goldfinger, an absolute classic Bond adventure.

You Only Live Twice was an EPIC MOVIE.  The scope of the story and the locations and espionage angles are definitely top tier. 

Diamonds Are Forever: The only one of Connery's official films I just can't ever go back and re-watch, it's so bad. 

I hated this one a lot.   From the ambiguously gay duo to whatever they were trying to pass off as Blowfield (crap--I think this guy would actually be #3 for appearing twice as a different character).  And the whole Willard White thing... yeah.... never liked it.

NSNA: Less said about this one, the better.

I get you here but, I thought the Largo here was a little cooler than in Thunderball and I loved the video game that they played.  Also, Kim Basinger was some nice eye candy in it LOL.  But the female assassin felt off, the Felix Leighter felt off, and the budget and look of the movie felt off as well.  And Bond looked a little too old for the movie.  I did like that whole underground cave final battle scene at the end though.

 

Well, I read this a while back but somehow I am in the mood tonight to go through your thoughts...

 

 

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