alienboyva Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) Full Article: http://letsplayvideogames.com/2016/10/a-deep-dive-on-lpvgs-nintendo-switch-reports-and-info/ Edited October 21, 2016 by alienboyva purple_beard 1 Quote Link to comment
Penance Fracture Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I don't think the thing will seriously have only three hours of battery life to it. That sounds like butt. SuperNintendoPower 1 Quote Link to comment
purple_beard Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, alienboyva said: If takes a game breaking dip in performance when un-docked for high need games/gaming this could be huge hurdle to sales/acceptance. I can buy the battery life charge factor though if you are running all that gear. Quote Link to comment
Doc Brown Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 15 minutes ago, Schmengland said: I don't think the thing will seriously have only three hours of battery life to it. That sounds like butt. Sounds like a DS and a 3DS. Nothing new there. Quote Link to comment
Doc Brown Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 15 minutes ago, purple_beard said: If takes a game breaking dip in performance when un-docked for high need games/gaming this could be huge hurdle to sales/acceptance. I can buy the battery life charge factor though if you are running all that gear. Yep. Exactly. Best we can do is to keep it plugged in when playing games that drain it faster. Quote Link to comment
Reilly Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 wut purple_beard 1 Quote Link to comment
purple_beard Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, Reilly said: wut EXACT thread I was thinking of! Quote Link to comment
DLurkster Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 As much as I think that is ass battery life but c'mon guys this is a console that is supposedly running games on par to PS4 for something like that to last 3 hour is nothing short of a miracle much less an hour. We all know the limits of rechargeable batteries on phones with the ion lithium. Though this console is powered by the same technology as the Nvidia Shield with a custom Tegra chip set in there. I don't think Nintendo would be so dumb to make a system where the batter is shit. Especially, when the screen for the Shield was made in mind with the Tegra chip not to drain the battery too much. Also, add in the fact that the Nvidia is helping with OS and I think 3 hours is acceptable. Could it be better hell but you gotta remember what kind of power this thing is displaying before you shout blood mary about the battery life. As for the touchscreen, okay when you watch the trailer careful, did you seen anywhere on the tablet where a stylus would go if it was resistive touch. It's possible it can be multi-touch but I doubt it when I look back at what Nintendo focus on one main gimmick per system. Example, before the 3DS was a thing 3D was tried in all of Nintendo's systems and that included the DS. They thought with the added power of the DS could support parallax barriers since the GBA couldn't but decided against it cause the wanted the touching aspect the DS to shine, plus it the technology wasn't there yet to make screen cheap for consumers. So that would explain no touch screen overall. The more powerful when dock makes but I believed it was confirmed by IGN by a Nintendo rep that dock is simply charging station and nothing more, it doesn't enhance system capabilities more than what it currently is for the home compared to on the go. They say it is the same experience home and on the go. Penance Fracture and purple_beard 2 Quote Link to comment
Punchy Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 5 hours ago, DLurkster said: this is a console that is supposedly running games on par to PS4 You are setting yourself up for disappointment with that line of hope/thinking for various reasons. It would be better to aim much lower. Mystearica 1 Quote Link to comment
DLurkster Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, Punchy said: You are setting yourself up for disappointment with that line of hope/thinking for various reasons. It would be better to aim much lower. Trust, I know I am, I'm not that confident but my hopes with whatever this custom Tegra chip will at least get to PS4 but that really seem hopeless when the one in the Shield is slightly more powerful or on par to the Wii U. I really want to see the spec and actually footage. Then I adjust my expectations accordingly. Like that chipset is not known to be that power as current gen consoles so yeah, my expectation only will be lowered once I know what's in that thing but I hope it close PS4 with custom, with how strong it could be. Just have to wait and see. The X2 I heard is suppose to be powerful but how more powerful than the X1? So is it custom variant of the X1 or X2. Plus, I'm still surprised and puzzled the chipset is from Nvidia when I heard the X2 isn't even going to be in a gaming machine but in cars. So to my surprise to hear on Nvidia blog that custom Tegra chip powering the Switch and I'm just left with a I don't know feeling in my stomach. I'm trying my best to be as optimistic as possible despite the reality of the specs we'll definitely see. Quote Link to comment
Punchy Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 minute ago, DLurkster said: Trust, I know I am, I'm not that confident but my hopes with whatever this custom Tegra chip will at least get to PS4 but that really seem hopeless when the one in the Shield is slightly more powerful or on par to the Wii U. I really want to see the spec and actually footage. Then I adjust my expectations accordingly. Like that chipset is not known to be that power as current gen consoles so yeah, my expectation only will be lowered once I know what's in that thing but I hope it close PS4 with custom, with how strong it could be. Just have to wait and see. The X2 I heard is suppose to be powerful but how more powerful than the X1? So is it custom variant of the X1 or X2. Plus, I'm still surprised and puzzled the chipset is from Nvidia when I heard the X2 isn't even going to be in a gaming machine but in cars. So to my surprise to hear on Nvidia blog that custom Tegra chip powering the Switch and I'm just left with a I don't know feeling in my stomach. I'm trying my best to be as optimistic as possible despite the reality of the specs we'll definitely see. It's not a straight up version of the Shield chip. It's a custom version of Tegra using their Pascal architecture if Nvidia's statement of it being based of cutting edge GeForce cards is true. I mean the CPU in the Switch is probably better than AMD Jaguar based CPUs, but the likelihood of a PS4 level of overall performance in that size and form factor, even with the possible boost from the doc, probably isn't going to happen. Quote Link to comment
DLurkster Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, Punchy said: It's not a straight up version of the Shield chip. It's a custom version of Tegra using their Pascal architecture if Nvidia's statement of it being based of cutting edge GeForce cards is true. I mean the CPU in the Switch is probably better than AMD Jaguar based CPUs, but the likelihood of a PS4 level of overall performance in that size and form factor, even with the possible boost from the doc, probably isn't going to happen. Ah, I heard of the Pascal architecture. Okay, I guess if it's not at PS4 level if it can at least reach close to a base Xbone one, it probably won't be that bad. So it can run UE4. But yeah even with that power, it's gonna eat some serious battery. I wonder how much the shield technology is gonna help with that, if at all? Quote Link to comment
Kodiack Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 I'm really curious whether it will be "more powerful" while docked. I'm wondering if the dock includes any additional hardware (such as a GPU), or if being docked lets the tablet run its internal hardware at a higher clock speed. The Switch likely will not be getting anywhere near the PS4, though. The Tegra X2 chip will probably pull ~750 GFLOPS, while even the Xbox One is capable of upwards of 1300 GFLOPS. The Switch will probably wind up being just over 50% as fast as the Xbox One. However, depending on the resolution of the screen, this may or may not be too much of an issue. If the screen is only pushing, say, 1280x720, then it doesn't need as capable of a GPU to push equivalent graphics settings. Pixel density will be pretty decent on that tablet even at 720p, and I personally won't be at all disappointed if that's the resolution that Nintendo decides to target. 720p would be a bit low, though. If Nintendo were to target, say, 900p instead while docked, then that would require pushing a bit over 50% more pixels while significantly improving image quality. In many respects, the Switch will be a spiritual successor to the NVIDIA Shield. It won't be pushing console-level horsepower, but it will be targeting a lower resolution and emphasising portable gaming. This - in my opinion - is a very good move. Their choice of SoC should provide stellar power efficiency and prolonged battery life while still being enough to push beautiful visuals. I'm personally planning to use the Switch almost exclusively as a portable gaming device. When I have friends over it'd be docked, but if it's just me, I'll be preferring the portable screen. I imagine that all games will be targeting at least the native resolution on that, so it will probably give the cleanest image possible without having to upscale to, say, a 1440p or 4K display. This isn't a device that's going to be competing with the hardware in the Xbox One and PS4 - and frankly, it shouldn't be competing. This console generation has been immensely disappointing, in my opinion. I haven't had any reason to want to purchase either an Xbone nor a PS4, since my PC can already do practically everything those consoles can, but better! There are some exclusives that I'd love to get my hands on (e.g. Uncharted), but I already otherwise have so much to keep me occupied at home that I can't justify the investment. I'm in the market for a new laptop. Prior to the Switch announcement, I was planning on getting something with a GTX 1060 or better. Laptops are still rather bulky, though, and unless you're "docked" you're still getting a sub-par experience when using them. The Switch is a complete game-changer in that regard. I've decided that I'm going to invest in another mid-range, highly portable laptop instead of opting for an expensive, bulky, power-hungry behemoth. The Switch looks like it's going to be everything that I wanted and then some. Nintendo has been disappointing me fairly frequently in these past few years, but I'm fully on board this hype train. The mobile gaming market is saturated as it is, but it's saturated with terrifyingly low-quality, unmemorable, pay-to-win trash. Nintendo has a chance to truly succeed here, and I think that they could relive the success of the Wii if they play their cards right. They seem to be targeting both casual gamers as well as their older, "maturer" core audience. Imagine if the Switch becomes the new target platform for games such as Pokémon. You'll have one single, centralised console that can do it all. You can enjoy the game on the go, but then dock it and enjoy a comfortable, familiar environment at home. That's exactly what I want right now, and nothing else on offer currently gives you that choice. Sure, you can get close to that with a PC, particularly with emulation, but you still have a lot of bulk to be concerned about and the market offerings are quite poor and expensive. I haven't felt this enthusiastic for a new Nintendo console in over a decade. Doc Brown, Penance Fracture and DLurkster 3 Quote Link to comment
Kodiack Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, DLurkster said: Ah, I heard of the Pascal architecture. Yeah, the Tegra X2 will be 16 nm Pascal-based. Pascal is a ridiculously efficient GPU architecture. That's why we're suddenly able to see full-fat GTX 1060/1070/1080 GPUs in laptops! The Tegra X2 won't be getting anywhere near the performance level of those cards, but as I argued before, it doesn't need to. What I'm also really curious to see is how the dual Denver 2 CPU cores in the Switch will perform. There's just so much potential here! Quote Link to comment
DLurkster Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 @KodiackYou know what, even though its understandable to believe what Nintendo rep who has knowledge about Switch spec it laymans term, I guess you can't really buy that the dock supplements tablet to run the games better than on the go. But for now I'm inclined to agree with them for now till otherwise. What you wrote in the post before you quoted me makes sense and makes me question if the dock truly is more than a charging unit. From what you saying about power and speed in the dock and out dock line up with real world performance you speak of with the Tegra X2. Quote Link to comment
Punchy Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Kodiack said: The Switch likely will not be getting anywhere near the PS4, though. The Tegra X2 chip will probably pull ~750 GFLOPS, while even the Xbox One is capable of upwards of 1300 GFLOPS. The Switch will probably wind up being just over 50% as fast as the Xbox One. Are you basing your number off FP16 or FP32? Also Nvidia measures GFLOPS differently than AMD, so it's not a straight forward comparison. Quote Link to comment
Kodiack Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, Punchy said: Are you basing your number off FP16 or FP32? Also Nvidia measures GFLOPS differently than AMD, so it's not a straight forward comparison. Full-precision (FP32). GFLOPS should very much be taken with a huge grain of salt, especially between manufacturers as you've said. Regardless, it doesn't look like the Switch will be anywhere near current-gen console GPU performance. Quote Link to comment
solitonmedic Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Can the dock really be just for charging? Then again, if you put the tablet down on it just to switch displays to the TV, it has to have some form of extra hardware to connect to the TV. Bluetooth isn't too far off the mark, but I doubt that many people would have that luxury. Quote Link to comment
SuperNintendoPower Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 8 hours ago, Schmengland said: I don't think the thing will seriously have only three hours of battery life to it. That sounds like butt. It is. It's coming from Laura Kate Dale, who lies about this sort of thing all the time. Quote Link to comment
Reilly Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 9 hours ago, Jun The Bob-Omb Ace said: Can the dock really be just for charging? Then again, if you put the tablet down on it just to switch displays to the TV, it has to have some form of extra hardware to connect to the TV. Bluetooth isn't too far off the mark, but I doubt that many people would have that luxury. 11 hours ago, Kodiack said: I'm really curious whether it will be "more powerful" while docked. I'm wondering if the dock includes any additional hardware (such as a GPU), or if being docked lets the tablet run its internal hardware at a higher clock speed. I dunno. Seems like there are conflicting reports in this regard. Nintendo claims there's no performance-boosting hardware in the dock, but OP here claims otherwise. Quote Link to comment
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