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17 minutes ago, purple_beard said:

Confused....

 

Emulation of those for Switch leaked?

 

*OR*  Nintendo's own emulator software for those on Switch got leaked?

 

More likely to be development/beta stuff from decades ago that's only just now being leaked to the public.

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5 minutes ago, Tyranogre said:

 

More likely to be development/beta stuff from decades ago that's only just now being leaked to the public.

 

Ohh, so like the "environment" the game ran in on those particular systems?

 

I mean, due to the "internet" I thought all of that had been cracked already.

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First I heard these leaks, like some in that thread are saying what's the big deal. With that kind of mindset I can see how at first this was nothing but all these sources of there really adds up.

 

Tho this is terrible this happened and to Nintendo, tbh it's meh to me.

 

I hope they can recovery what was leaked and Nintendo to take obvious devious action in regards to these leakers somehow.

 

Man with the world the way it is, it seems a lot ppl have a lot of time on their hands. April was the month of leaks in the gaming industry.

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Yeah, until we know the full context of this leak stuff, I don't really know what to say on this, though am not expecting much. N64, Gamecube, and Wii stuff being added to NSO (like how they got the mini-libraries of the NES and SNES) would be nice, but again...

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i was under the impression that it was just a leak of development info for all those consoles orginally. that's what the replies seem to imply.
something like that doesn't hurt Nintendo as much as they'd like to pretend it does lol. but it means great things for modding and emulation circles.

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18 hours ago, Ridley Prime said:

Ah, okay. Am cool with that if nothing else even if it'll make big N mad.

 

Who cares if it makes them, mad? They're a gigantic corporation, not your friend.

 

If anything this'll advance emulation and modding for these consoles so I'm all for it.

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15 hours ago, ace said:

 

Who cares if it makes them, mad? They're a gigantic corporation, not your friend.

 

If anything this'll advance emulation and modding for these consoles so I'm all for it.

 

 

The corporation that employs people?

 

The corporation that created the content you want to play?

 

Everybody wants stuff free till its not them getting paid for their works.  Rather hypocritical IMO.

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won't anybody think of the massive corporation hoarding decades old IPs and not releasing them legally but still taking action against people who find a way to preserve them
won't anybody think of the massive corporation that steals youtube revenue from creators giving them free advertisement
won't anybody think of the massive corporation that shuts down harmless fangames that people spend like 10 years working on but relegate the same IPs to mediocre third party devs
won't anybody think of the massive corporation that sources parts from chinese manufacturers that hire teenagers and have to put out suicide nets because too many people were killing themselves from the harsh working conditions

:v

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1 hour ago, Pichi said:

won't anybody think of the massive corporation hoarding decades old IPs and not releasing them legally but still taking action against people who find a way to preserve them
won't anybody think of the massive corporation that steals youtube revenue from creators giving them free advertisement
won't anybody think of the massive corporation that shuts down harmless fangames that people spend like 10 years working on but relegate the same IPs to mediocre third party devs
won't anybody think of the massive corporation that sources parts from chinese manufacturers that hire teenagers and have to put out suicide nets because too many people were killing themselves from the harsh working conditions

:v

@ #1

Interesting about this legal angle as with older (and newer for that matter) games still have contracts between parties, licensing agreements, and a lot of other legal hurdle to shore up before release.  In some cases companies have gone defunct, in others employees and what not aren't with the company anymore.

*Truth be told, I hope with this retro game revival going on the newer contracts and legalese gets better and more forward thinking than in the past. 

 

@2

To me, this one gets kind of murky.  I can't go all in on the "stealing" claim but I would say depending on the content on a case by case basis their might be something to a copyright claim.  I know there is a lot going down with youtubers and music reactions with copyright claims from artist's labels.

 

@3

So you hack an IP that you don't own to put out content off the assets inside the game you didn't develop yourself.  Come now.  To the core point of lazy devs doing poor ports I can agree, but then again, if you want to work on those kind of projects get into the gaming industry.

 

@4

Now, I am going to start this argument this way: Do you think you pay too much for items?  Would you like to pay less?  Well, the economics of manufacturing, supply, and demand start to work on that price you pay.  If you item you desire price goes up because they use more expensive parts, higher labor costs, higher tariffs to get it where it needs to go are you OK with paying that premium?  And as an aside to that train of thought, a company is in business to make money, if they don't hit the percentages they need to on the items  they can't sell its no longer worth it to them to be in business.  To the second part of this, the human rights side of things, that I can agree with.  People should not work in unfair working conditions and people should get paid a fair wage for their work.  I believe more exposure of the unhealthy environments for works needs to get exposes and the perpetrators do need to be held accountable for operating as such.

*  I would argue that the working condition practice is worse for apparel companies, but with how cheap some of these electronic devices are and the need to cut manufacturing costs....

* I would also go down the road of retail pricing and markups.  That is a large that is a large gray scale there.

* There are some geo-political forces at work too.  Just think about Hong Kong vs. China in the last year and how the NBA played that.  Think about how their biggest backer right now, Nike (and not to single Nike out because there are others), still operates those "sweatshops" in China to keep those costs down. And when bringing up Nike's operating practices the people getting paid by Nike as endorsers and corporate partners kept mum on the situation so they didn't alienate their money pipeline brought on by how they can operate in the Chinese market.

 

 

For the record, I am not one to gloss over corporate corruption and unjust practices, but I do think some people don't fully understand all of the economic and political forces at work and to find the truth and possibly the best medium of existence puts a lot of actions where its best in between.  In other words you can't say I'm not paying more than $__ for a product but then get upset when prices rise for using more expensive labor, materials, ect...

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now see i was only pointing out that nintendo has shitty business practices and i don't feel any guilt lol but i'll respond to stuff sure

 39 minutes ago, purple_beard said:

Interesting about this legal angle as with older (and newer for that matter) games still have contracts between parties, licensing agreements, and a lot of other legal hurdle to

shore up before release.  In some cases companies have gone defunct, in others employees and what not aren't with the company anymore.

*Truth be told, I hope with this retro game revival going on the newer contracts and legalese gets better and more forward thinking than in the past.

sure but stop trying to scrape obscure shit off the web completely when it poses no threat to your business

41 minutes ago, purple_beard said:

To me, this one gets kind of murky.  I can't go all in on the "stealing" claim but I would say depending on the content on a case by case basis their might be something to a copyright claim.  I know there is a lot going down with youtubers and music reactions with copyright claims from artist's labels.

nobody other gaming company does this. only nintendo. because nobody else is stupid enough to attack free advertisement.

44 minutes ago, purple_beard said:

So you hack an IP that you don't own to put out content off the assets inside the game you didn't develop yourself.  Come now.  To the core point of lazy devs doing poor ports I can agree, but then again, if you want to work on those kind of projects get into the gaming industry.

yeah all for the depraved act of creating something in honor of the games you love. what a horrible, illegal act.
sega and valve have turned great fan works into amazing official products, like team fortress, counter strike, and sonic mania
nintendo just shits on everybody.

45 minutes ago, purple_beard said:

Now, I am going to start this argument this way: Do you think you pay too much for items?  Would you like to pay less?  Well, the economics of manufacturing, supply, and demand start to work on that price you pay.  If you item you desire price goes up because they use more expensive parts, higher labor costs, higher tariffs to get it where it needs to go are you OK with paying that premium? 

yes, and i think the economic imperialism of the globalized economy is evil as fuck. but also i'm willing to mostly buy secondhand goods to not contribute to it in the first place lol.

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Don't know if it is part of this leak but anyone here download the Super Mario 64 PC Port? Damn it sure it butter smooth. From what I hear the person made the source code from scratch but of course it is still using Nintendo assets so C&D is inevitable. I have since added it to my Steam library as a non steam game and with a simple click I'm game. I do still own my N64 Pak, Wii U download and DS cartridge versions of the game. 

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11 hours ago, Pichi said:

now see i was only pointing out that nintendo has shitty business practices and i don't feel any guilt lol but i'll respond to stuff sure

sure but stop trying to scrape obscure shit off the web completely when it poses no threat to your business

--Your IPs are your business,  you make your money off your IP, if something comes out that detracts from your IP it can hurt your business.

nobody other gaming company does this. only nintendo. because nobody else is stupid enough to attack free advertisement.

yeah all for the depraved act of creating something in honor of the games you love. what a horrible, illegal act.

--Fine line between fan art and using game assets to create another game.
sega and valve have turned great fan works into amazing official products, like team fortress, counter strike, and sonic mania
nintendo just shits on everybody.

--Funny you use Sega here as hacked systems and poor software output has put them out of the hardware game and moved them into a mid-tier developer versus still being in the hardware game and arguably top tier developer.  They also basically signed them at that point too, so they got to release the game under them, not just on their own.

yes, and i think the economic imperialism of the globalized economy is evil as fuck. but also i'm willing to mostly buy secondhand goods to not contribute to it in the first place lol.

--Not sure how this reasoning works, because if your intent is to not give that company money, you basically still are because the person that buys it in the first degree knows it has value in the secondary market to sell it off when they need too.  Therefore the item still has value.  In no way saying the industrial revolution and free market economy don't /didn't have their negative economic consequences and need regulations to keep everything above board but one should take a hard look and how Communism and Socialism really work in those countries that are still under those kinds of rules.

 

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