ace Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Ah yes. The movie that serves someone other than straight white men is such a "polarizing film". God forbid something be made for someone other than you for once in your life. Quote Link to comment
Tyranogre Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Becomes relevant to the current discussion at about 5:10. Quote Link to comment
Vector Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 Urg... I'm seeing articles now that say that Disney has confirmed that they manipulated perception of the film. Are these reports reallt true, or are they blown way out of context? Also, regarding Disney in general, they seemed to have garnered a lot of hate recently despite their recent successes. All around I still see more videos criticizing even its highest-rated films like The Incredibles 2 and Ralph Breaks the Internet than praising them, saying they are just rehashing other films and the like. And then there's the fact that people think that Disney is bribing critics to give them favorable reviews. What exactly is making people so distrustful of Disney. Is there really any truth to their claims, with all the influence Disney has? I just really can't stand all this negativity. Quote Link to comment
Caysekong Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Personally, I thought the movie was fine. I wouldn't say it was anything spectacular but for a Marvel movie it's pretty much what you expect nowadays. As far as the "SJW/feminist messages" I don't think it was as prominent as some suggest. There was a line that said "let's show these boys how we do it," pretty harmless IMO. It did take place in the 90's, and briefly addressed the fact that it was a time that female Air Force pilots weren't a thing and it was fairly new to have them, so it's not like that line was out of place or "forced." Besides that there were a few scenes of the main character being talked down/bullied by various men in her life but I feel it was to add to the narrative rather than "sending a message." As far as the acting, there is a narrative reason for how stiff Brie Larson acts but I can see why it would still turn some people from the movie. The first 20 minutes were pretty boring because of this I would say, it definitely picks up once she hits Earth though. Overall, decent movie. Not necessary prior to seeing Endgame but if you know jack shit about Captain Marvel, like I did, you may want to give it a look. The less important details, I've seen rumors about empty theaters. When I saw it yesterday the theater was damn near packed, I would usually chalk that up to living in a more populated area but it was a Sunday night, not really movie prime time for this area. Was surprised to see so many people around that time, so I'm not sure what to make of all that. Quote Link to comment
blcdude1 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 15 hours ago, Vector said: Urg... I'm seeing articles now that say that Disney has confirmed that they manipulated perception of the film. Are these reports reallt true, or are they blown way out of context? While I can't speak to "bribing critics," there is no denying the influence of Disney has. I think this image might demonstrate why people distrust Disney. Outside of the obvious, Disney has its hands in Vice Media, A&E, the History Networks, Lifetime, Sphero, Photobucket, GoPro, National Geographic, Sky and Hulu. Disney is, quite frankly, massive, and only growing bigger. Given its size, there is no doubt in my mind that Disney manipulated public perception of Captain Marvel. But then again, there is no doubt in my mind that Disney manipulates public perception of any of its products. They are in the position to do so, and I don't trust any corporation not to take advantage of that position. This discussion of media conglomerates is likely not the answer you were seeking, but it's something I try to remember when discussing there large multi-national corporations. They're everywhere and involved in everything, and likely impact you in ways you don't realize. Doc Brown 1 Quote Link to comment
Vector Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 11:10 AM, blcdude1 said: While I can't speak to "bribing critics," there is no denying the influence of Disney has. I think this image might demonstrate why people distrust Disney. Outside of the obvious, Disney has its hands in Vice Media, A&E, the History Networks, Lifetime, Sphero, Photobucket, GoPro, National Geographic, Sky and Hulu. Disney is, quite frankly, massive, and only growing bigger. Given its size, there is no doubt in my mind that Disney manipulated public perception of Captain Marvel. But then again, there is no doubt in my mind that Disney manipulates public perception of any of its products. They are in the position to do so, and I don't trust any corporation not to take advantage of that position. This discussion of media conglomerates is likely not the answer you were seeking, but it's something I try to remember when discussing there large multi-national corporations. They're everywhere and involved in everything, and likely impact you in ways you don't realize. Still, Is it enough of a problem for all these haters to endlessly complain about, or is it just something we should accept? Quote Link to comment
EH_STEVE Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 10 hours ago, Vector said: Still, Is it enough of a problem for all these haters to endlessly complain about, or is it just something we should accept? Haters gon' hate. Quote Link to comment
blcdude1 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 14 hours ago, Vector said: Still, Is it enough of a problem for all these haters to endlessly complain about, or is it just something we should accept? I think it's telling that the haters are complaining about it now. Disney has been massive for a long time. And I do think Disney's size is worth complaining about; or at least, something that should be discussed seriously. It's perfectly acceptable to like (or even dislike) Disney and the products they put out while also being concerned with what appears to be more and more of a monopoly. But we didn't see these sort of complaints about the previous MCU movies, and I don't expect we'll see these complaints about Avengers: Endgame. There's something different about Captain Marvel. I don't think the people complaining about Captain Marvel have that particular concern: after all, Brie Larson made some feminist statements, anti-feminists got upset online, and it's kind of Ghostbusters all over again, where the conversation about the movie is overshadowed by the conversation around the movie. Quote Link to comment
Ridley Prime Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) Captain Marvel I didn’t really have interest in seeing particularly as aformentioned regardless of Brie’s statements or whatnot, so I have no horse in this race. Disney itself though is another matter. They just acquired Fox, I’ll still complain about their growing monopoly and things as I damn please. Edited March 21, 2019 by Ridley Prime Doc Brown 1 Quote Link to comment
Tyranogre Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 At this point I'm just waiting for Disney to pass Go so we can all finally stop playing and go home. Quote Link to comment
Ithrak Utopia Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/03/12/carol-danvers-co-creator-roy-thomas-watches-the-captain-marvel-movie/#content I know how I take this article, but I just want to see how this is spun here. Quote Link to comment
Vector Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 Still, the problem is not as extreme as them just straight up bribing critics and buying seats from hundreds of theaters, right? Quote Link to comment
blcdude1 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I think the "bribing critics" claim can just be dismissed as conspiracy theory bullshit. I have to believe that if Disney was bribing critics, Captain Marvel would not be sitting at 78% on RottenTomatoes, ranked right below Captain America: The First Avenger and right above Thor in terms of critical consensus. If Disney was actually going to buy critics and pay for positive reviews, why the hell would they order a score that is 4% worse than Ant-Man? Quote Link to comment
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