DLurkster Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I looked up a episode and I'll be a monkey's uncle, they say ka-rool. Well what does 9 year old me remembers about cartoons vividly. Quote Link to comment
DLurkster Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Fuzzer1 said: https://kotaku.com/nintendo-says-it-will-remove-racist-native-american-ani-1830282076 OK, what's this all about? Removing a Game and Watch attack because it's racist towards Native Americans? Not trying to get political but REALLY?! This a good thing, you don't want to any chances of something back in 80's was not looked upon poorly when nowadays it is common to for this raise concern about this. Quote Link to comment
Fuzzer1 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 minute ago, DLurkster said: This a good thing, you don't want to any chances of something back in 80's was not looked upon poorly when nowadays it is common to for this raise concern about this. Fair point. Quote Link to comment
Ridley Prime Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Yeah, it was the right thing to do. Nintendo is more culturally cool & sensitive now at least; the Mexican culture stuff in Mario Odyssey was received fairly well by Mexican people & gamers, despite the initial concern over stereotyping which was just people getting offended on another race's behalf. Quote Link to comment
avalonknight Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I've been stupidly reading the comments, but it seems like a lot of people skipped this part of the article, would have tempered some of the anger if applicable: Quote The company did not immediately respond to a request for clarification on why it had decided to add the caricature to Smash Bros. Ultimate in the first place. Mr. Game & Watch’s character didn’t have this move in previous Smash games, and Nintendo had previously removed it from Fire Attack when the game was ported to Game Boy Advance in 2002 as part of Game & Watch Gallery 4. In that version, the Native American characters were changed into bandits. After looking at videos of G&WG4, and watching the "classic" version of Fire Attack, I got the impression that the modeler or someone didn't get the memo to not recreate the Fire Attack sprite exactly for Ultimate. Quote Link to comment
DLurkster Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 4 hours ago, avalonknight said: I've been stupidly reading the comments, but it seems like a lot of people skipped this part of the article, would have tempered some of the anger if applicable: After looking at videos of G&WG4, and watching the "classic" version of Fire Attack, I got the impression that the modeler or someone didn't get the memo to not recreate the Fire Attack sprite exactly for Ultimate. See this is trickier than it appears. I get this was brought up before to the GBA port but I remember back on the E3 direct they specifically mentioned that all of Mr. G&W specials and smash attacks looks are a callback to his moves from his moves back in the day. I'm not making excuses for Nintendo or Sakurai to look what was change before but this is the first time this put into Smash, I'm looking at that with game as huge a this it is easy to miss detail with details to question racially charged depictions of a race. I really chalk it up to pure hype during development. Well that's how I look at it anyways. Quote Link to comment
Tyranogre Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Does this mean there won't be any Punch-Out spirits? Literally every character in that series is some form of stereotype. purple_beard 1 Quote Link to comment
EH_STEVE Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Link, the Hero of Dreams 1 Quote Link to comment
Elemental Hero Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Tyranogre said: Does this mean there won't be any Punch-Out spirits? Literally every character in that series is some form of stereotype. But are they negative stereotypes that make a joke out of genocide? Anyone who doesn't see what's wrong about this G&W thing is looking to be edgy and offended. You know, the kind of person who basically says that "Pointing out my racism makes YOU the real racist!" I mean, cry me a fucking river--how does the removal of G&W's feather negatively affect ANYONE? Quote Link to comment
blcdude1 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Destiny Hero said: I mean, cry me a fucking river--how does the removal of G&W's feather negatively affect ANYONE? The only negative impact I can think of is while G&W's feather is bad representation, it's still representation. As far as I know, with its removal, there is no Native American representation in Smash Ultimate. There are options for Spirits, but the options aren't great. Two series with native characters featured in Smash are Virtua Fighter and Street Fighter, but let's not pretend Wolf Hawkfield and T. Hawk aren't stereotypes as well. There's also Tiger Lily from Codename S.T.E.A.M., but Tiger Lily has long, problematic history. It would be nice to see some sort of representation. EDIT: After posting this, I remembered the Ice Climbers, Nana & Popo. Even if Nintendo has not formally defined them as Inuit, and likely will never address where the Ice Climbers actually came from, the inspiration is definitely there. Edited November 8, 2018 by blcdude1 Quote Link to comment
Elemental Hero Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 3 hours ago, blcdude1 said: The only negative impact I can think of is while G&W's feather is bad representation, it's still representation. As far as I know, with its removal, there is no Native American representation in Smash Ultimate. There are options for Spirits, but the options aren't great. Two series with native characters featured in Smash are Virtua Fighter and Street Fighter, but let's not pretend Wolf Hawkfield and T. Hawk aren't stereotypes as well. There's also Tiger Lily from Codename S.T.E.A.M., but Tiger Lily has long, problematic history. It would be nice to see some sort of representation. EDIT: After posting this, I remembered the Ice Climbers, Nana & Popo. Even if Nintendo has not formally defined them as Inuit, and likely will never address where the Ice Climbers actually came from, the inspiration is definitely there. Having no ethnic representation is FAR better than having ethnic representation which normalizes joking about genocide. Link, the Hero of Dreams and DLurkster 2 Quote Link to comment
DLurkster Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 30 minutes ago, Destiny Hero said: Having no ethnic representation is FAR better than having ethnic representation which normalizes joking about genocide. I concur, you never know nowadays what offends anybody anymore. Just should not take those kind of chances. Quote Link to comment
DranSeasona Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Yeah, was definitely silly of them to do that, but to my understanding Japan is much less sensitive to this kind of thing (racism), in general. No complaints from me for removing it. Ah, yes, the DLC is decided. Nintendo putting forward the options with Sakurai having final pick is an interesting approach. I am guessing that means no old one off characters like Geno and probably no bad blood characters like Banjo and Kazooie... oh well. Again, mostly just hoping to avoid more Fire Emblem clones. Quote Link to comment
blcdude1 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 31 minutes ago, Destiny Hero said: Having no ethnic representation is FAR better than having ethnic representation which normalizes joking about genocide. Which is why I suggested it be replaced with a more positive portrayal. I believe replacing it with positive representation is a better solution than just removing the negative stereotype. 12 minutes ago, DLurkster said: I concur, you never know nowadays what offends anybody anymore. Just should not take those kind of chances. Within reason, of course. For example, even though its shape is shared with a Ku Klux Klan symbol, I don't see anyone calling for the removal of the Triforce from Smash or the Legend of Zelda. Quote Link to comment
DranSeasona Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 minute ago, blcdude1 said: Which is why I suggested it be replaced with a more positive portrayal. I believe replacing it with positive representation is a better solution than just removing the negative stereotype. Within reason, of course. For example, even though its shape is shared with a Ku Klux Klan symbol, I don't see anyone calling for the removal of the Triforce from Smash or the Legend of Zelda. The Trifore is also a lot like the famous symbol of one of Japan’s oldest gangs, to my understanding. I prefer to think of it in the vein of the Celtic Trinity Knot symbol. It’s a bit more nuanced of a symbol than a feather tied to the head, in my opinion, but I see your point. Quote Link to comment
avalonknight Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, Tyranogre said: Does this mean there won't be any Punch-Out spirits? Literally every character in that series is some form of stereotype. Yet the Wii remake decided to flesh them out a great deal to the point of having them speak their native language if applicable. Still have stereotypical roots, yes, but the same time, a fascinating execution on end product that actually gave them character. (Sidenote: When I first heard of the remake, I predicted they will edit them out and would never thought they'd embrace it the way they did.) Edited November 9, 2018 by avalonknight Tyranogre 1 Quote Link to comment
alienboyva Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) SSBU Commercial... I dig the style of this commercial, but I still love those goofy SSB4 "SETTLE IT IN SMASH!" commercials. ...And why do they not show anyone using GCN controllers?!!!! Also... @0:35 Girl: "Who's Yoshi?" Me: EVERYONE HAS THEIR NAME ABOVE THEM!!!! @1:02 Nice touch, Nintendo! *The game's release date* @0:58 That perfectly timed charge shot reflect K.O. by Zelda! Edited November 9, 2018 by alienboyva DLurkster 1 Quote Link to comment
DLurkster Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 39 minutes ago, alienboyva said: SSBU Commercial... I dig the style of this commercial, but I still love those goofy SSB4 "SETTLE IT IN SMASH!" commercials. ...And why do they not show anyone using GCN controllers?!!!! Also... @0:35 Girl: "Who's Yoshi?" Me: EVERYONE HAS THEIR NAME ABOVE THEM!!!! @1:02 Nice touch, Nintendo! *The game's release date* @0:58 That perfectly timed charge shot reflect K.O. by Zelda! I don't why I was wondering where to post this but yeah this is alright but I like the settle it in Smash commercial more for Sm4sh. Doc Brown 1 Quote Link to comment
blcdude1 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 44 minutes ago, alienboyva said: ...And why do they not show anyone using GCN controllers?!!!! Personally, I think the commercial should have one lone Donkey Kong player using the bongos. Doc Brown, Link, the Hero of Dreams and alienboyva 1 2 Quote Link to comment
Tyranogre Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 5 hours ago, blcdude1 said: Personally, I think the commercial should have one lone Donkey Kong player using the bongos. 8-player smash: 1. Mario DDR dance pad 2. DK bongos 3. GBA/GCN link cable 4. Resident Evil chainsaw controller 5. 3DS Smash controller app 6-8. Labo contraptions alienboyva 1 Quote Link to comment
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