Zelda: Tears of the Spoiled - A thread where any discussion is allowed

[EH_STEVE]

I never did...

[purple_beard]

I've finally put some time into this game this week...shutdown at work is allowing for this...

 

I get very upset and discouraged that I feel like I'm mindlessly wondering around and not accomplishing much...  Hardly getting any coins for good/better armor....  Always seem to be short on something I wouldn't mind having more of...  not the right armor for the weather conditions but haven't seen anyone with anything to sell to change that issue...

 

Hell, I thought I had a Sundelion (sp?) in tow.... go to make the recipe for saving the sick lady and didn't have it.... wasted time there...

 

Working with this Zora mess.... get up to a big sky island thing pouring dirty water.... nothing....  I swear that was the place _ said to go...  I cleaned up the sludge off of it...nothing but floating pieces... and can't do much with them...

 

Meh....

 

I know this rant sounds lame, but its like this game is too big and cumbersome to attack it with my time allotment.... and the longer it takes to do stuff, I'm constantly feeling like I'm wasting my day outside of gaming doing nothing really in the game...  I'd be better off doing stuff other than playing Zelda because of all the wasted time in Zelda.

[EH_STEVE]

For me, my sessions were:

-Explore with nothing planned in mind

-Sidequests, Shrines, or Gear Upgrade focused

-Story Quests focused

 

Then I'd pick what I wanted to work on, and stick with it. There were definitely times where I'd be doing A, get sidetracked by B, but then switch to C before even doing B, and then D pokes up and it became a "So.... I did nothing" but even then you'd have (hopefully) farmed some materials, or uncovered some map, or added some quests to the To-Do list.

[purple_beard]

5 hours ago, EH_STEVE said:

For me, my sessions were:

-Explore with nothing planned in mind

-Sidequests, Shrines, or Gear Upgrade focused

-Story Quests focused

 

Then I'd pick what I wanted to work on, and stick with it. There were definitely times where I'd be doing A, get sidetracked by B, but then switch to C before even doing B, and then D pokes up and it became a "So.... I did nothing" but even then you'd have (hopefully) farmed some materials, or uncovered some map, or added some quests to the To-Do list.

Yeah... spelunking....took me way off target...and way out of area a few times....

[purple_beard]

Finally took down Zora sludge boss

be like water 

 

 

 

 

[purple_beard]

Finally took down Zora sludge boss

be like water 

 

*****

 

Finally got eldiin tower lit.

 

That DOGGone treasure cave was interesting.   Got my sundelion finally. 

 

Doing some minecart madness in the sky before going back down into eldin.

 

****

 

Caverns to fire temple....yeah...that was cool...  temple itself was interesting...but going to have to really work on that tomorrow. 

 

 

 

Edited July 9 by purple_beard

[purple_beard]

Took down marbled gohma.... cool battle...

[purple_beard]

 

 

Real talk...

 

..And can't say I didn't come off feeling the same way...

[DLurkster]

3 minutes ago, purple_beard said:

 

 

Real talk...

 

..And can't say I didn't come off feeling the same way...

I know you are currently making your way thru the game and we've seen where you feel aimless but I seen some of this vid and not all.

 

It is fair for them to say the game is not great because they beat but you haven't yet. So it's okay to say how you feel about the game where you are at but you have not experienced all of it to say if it will change or not. To me that is not a fair assessment to say this game is not great to you, get what I am saying? I say this without any Zelda bias and it easy for me to say, you can't say that but I can't deny what anyone experiences.... well once you complete that experience.

[purple_beard]

4 minutes ago, DLurkster said:

I know you are currently making your way thru the game and we've seen where you feel aimless but I seen some of this vid and not all.

 

It is fair for them to say the game is not great because they beat but you haven't yet. So it's okay to say how you feel about the game where you are at but you have not experienced all of it to say if it will change or not. To me that is not a fair assessment to say this game is not great to you, get what I am saying? I say this without any Zelda bias and it easy for me to say, you can't say that but I can't deny what anyone experiences.... well once you complete that experience.

 

 

I think they are nailing some of my feelings in the video about the game.

 

I'm not disliking it...but their commentary.... nails a lot of the feelings I am currently sitting on while playing.

[Spring]

i beat totk! my finishing percentage was 77.03%! i did all the shrines and got most of the sages will, but i'm missing a bunch of side stuff which is nice so i'll have some other stuff to do later  

 

i think this game is a 9/10 (same rating for botw, really, but for different reasons) but i can't help feeling wildly underwhelmed for the story. didn't they say this would be the darkest zelda yet?? this game isn't even as dark as the game that came directly before it!

 

things that bothered me in no particular order:

Spoiler

no grey morality for Ganon, he is literally just a big dude that is Evil for the sake of being Evil. there was so much that could have been expounded upon here i feel like we lost what could have been the most interesting Ganon just for them to fall back on a dude who hates hyrule for no reason. how about a man who is fed up with this cycle of birth and death and rebirth? a man who had been used by hyrule, or had lost a loved one due to not having enough power? how about a man who was forced out of the gerudo due to being foreseen as an agent of evil? what if Rauru wasn't just a Perfect King with No Flaws Whatsoever and actually did something to incur Ganon's wrath? they're all so flat just to fit their archetypes but WHY?? we already knew the current hyrule had plenty of things wrong with it underneath the surface, why not EXPAND that idea to give us something to hold onto other than 'these guys are good and never make mistakes'?

 

nothing happens to ANYONE you're involved with, no one experiences any real lasting hardship and most of all: no one dies AT ALL except for Sonia?! i hesitate to even say Rauru 'died' bc of the way he sacrificed himself.  Like none of these characters feel like they go through any amount of growth (except Tulin mostly and Sidon, a little) like they had to in BotW, they are just There for the sake of helping Link, which, by the way, they BARELY do. Even at the end fight, your sage friends are there for like, 2 minutes of Hyrule Warriors Time and a few minutes of fighting Ganon then we shoot into the sky and that's it. Their powers are not even needed, even in a plot sense. Mineru goes through negative growth imo, bc we learn so little about her by the time she actually passes on in the post-credits scene, I felt nothing at all for her.  Also why is Tulin even here? I love him, but we already had a character who was in place to be a sage, so why was it not Teba?? I could see if it was to emphasize the 'up and coming generation', but Mineru was definitely an adult and at this point even Link would be like in his mid-twenties, so why can't it be the dad? At least he could have had an interesting reaction to having to be a sage as well as a village leader and father.

 

even the most touching and gut-wrenching of plot points (Zelda becoming an immortal dragon) has NO consequences in the end. not to mention, even once some people KNOW that she's become an immortal dragon and thus cannot (just kidding tho) be turned back, no one is even grieving or seems to care at all!? i expected Purah to at least shed a tear over the idea of NEVER SEEING ZELDA AGAIN but i guess the looming threat of a dude chilling underground was more pressing? i can understand Link not showing any emotion over this, that's literally part of his character, but you can't tell me even Paya wouldn't have cried over the loss of the princess. 

 

also disappointed we completely avoided the idea of Link actually losing his arm and thus having any real effect on his life whatsoever. perhaps it would have been just TOO bold to have our hero actually be disabled after the end fight and having to live his life with real consequences of the world around him? maybe i was just expecting too much out of nintendo? 

 

also WHO the hell was Rauru and Sonia's child????? they make no mention of having children at all, which is not only a glaring plot hole (Zelda HAS to be a direct bloodline relative of them as mentioned in the plot by them based on her powers) but a complete missed opportunity to show any amount of guts for this plot as a whole. Rauru sacrifices himself with NO qualms whatsoever once Sonia dies (implying to me they definitely did not have any kids), but what if he was a man who had to choose between being there for his undoubtedly young child or saving his kingdom by sacrificing himself (now leaving his child parentless)? Begging the sages to take care of the baby, perhaps? Zelda, before turning into a dragon, ensuring the child that they were loved and are destined for great things like their parents? Those monuments in the sky were written by someone close to the royal family and they knew Zelda at the time, what if those were written by the child instead? 

 

I know people have complained about how BotW seems almost entirely disconnected from TotK and while I can agree somewhat, I'm mostly disappointed that the world as a whole doesn't seem to have grown at all since then. At least 5 years have passed, we have no new towns/villages, even the current towns haven't grown at all save for Hateno getting like, two new buildings? Not even any new encampments really? I hesitate to even call Lookout Landing a new town because of how lifeless and small it is and TEMPORARY above all else. Like they haven't even restored any of Hyrule Castle Town yet, in FIVE YEARS?? Like what was everyone doing?  

 

AND WHERE IS KASS?? THE MAN IS A FATHER OF 5, IS HE A DEADBEAT?? Where would he have even GONE?

 

and do not even get me STARTED on how bland the depths ended up being. Why is there like, no distinction anywhere in the depths for where you might be?? it all looks EXACTLY the same??????????? other than a few lava falls indicating where hot springs should be? its extremely telling that unless I'm looking at a map, I would have no idea where I am underground ever, to me that is bad design. The overworld is so vast and different looking, there are landmarks EVERYWHERE, you're telling me the Zonai didn't need landmarks around here to get around with? The environment above doesn't affect how it looks down here? For gods sake, its not even COLD around the Hebra area, like what was the point of making it fit the size of the overworld if they weren't going to do anything with it? They made a glowing armor set as if brightbloom seeds aren't an invasive species on the surface, as if I'd ever find any use of it at all. It just feels like none of it is fully realized. 

 

ARRGGHHHH i could go on for hours!! There are SO many touching scenes, I teared up at many points of dialogue but it all feels so SAFE compared to BotW!! There's no death, destruction, grieving, pain, how could anyone consider this the darkest Zelda game?! I cried when Yona chastised Sidon for keeping her at a distance for fear of losing another one he loves, but he DOESN'T lose another one he loves! We're supposed to be fighting so hard to save this country, but it doesn't even feel like its in danger of anything, because there's nothing happening to anyone! part of the feeling of 'winning' in BotW was having the Beasts fire a fucking laser at the castle weakening C. Ganon and thus feeling like we're holding him back, together, as a country. but when we beat the bosses of TotK, what is stopping him from just doing it again? He literally just lets us hang out until we drop into the hole to stop him for good! I would have loved if near the end the game actually gave me some urgency by covering the land in more gloom, finding monsters attacking town, seeing the occasional boss in the wilderness to show that he was getting desperate in some way to keep us away. Like how there used to be a fuckton of guardians in the castle and around it, but there's just no looming threat from Ganon. And going back to what I said before, I had no qualms about just fucking him up either, because he is evil just for the sake of it. he doesn't even have any attachment to his own people, imagine if he tried to get Riju on his side by telling her about his past or something....ugh. 

 

this post ended up very long, to anyone who read it all: i'm sorry, i just have a deep appreciation for BotW and TotK and feel like the lack of a clear story and character depth really pulled this game back from being what it could have been  in terms of gameplay i don't think i could call TotK anything but a direct improvement, but in terms of story........well. 

 

i had a lot of fun with it and still am, but i think my score might just drop as time goes on simply because of my disappointment lol

[purple_beard]

I can't believe I couldn't figure out final lock on wind temple, I thought I had checked that side.... oh well...should do boss tonight. 

 

****

Got him.  Cool fight.

 

****

@DLurkster @EH_STEVE

 

So, is the Imprisoning War the (or a variation of) the tale told in ALttP about the sealing of Ganon away, but Zelda knows he'll break the seal because she is the sage of time?  When I saw Tulin's cinema scene and the discussion of the memory of hte imprisoning war, that came to mind.

Edited July 22 by purple_beard

[DLurkster]

21 hours ago, purple_beard said:

I can't believe I couldn't figure out final lock on wind temple, I thought I had checked that side.... oh well...should do boss tonight. 

 

****

Got him.  Cool fight.

 

****

@DLurkster @EH_STEVE

 

So, is the Imprisoning War the (or a variation of) the tale told in ALttP about the sealing of Ganon away, but Zelda knows he'll break the seal because she is the sage of time?  When I saw Tulin's cinema scene and the discussion of the memory of hte imprisoning war, that came to mind.

I tease when I say this, seeing that you don;t care spoiler for yourself per se and more so for others as you would fault them for making the choice to look.

 

No, it is only the name that it shares not the same event. You will see as the game unfolds that this is totally different.

 

I'm pretty sure anyone that played ALttp had the same thought as you when they heard the imprisoning war in this game but as you dive deeper in this game it is not what you think.

 

Spoiler over.

[purple_beard]

16 minutes ago, DLurkster said:

I tease when I say this, seeing that you don;t care spoiler for yourself per se and more so for others as you would fault them for making the choice to look.

 

No, it is only the name that it shares not the same event. You will see as the game unfolds that this is totally different.

 

I'm pretty sure anyone that played ALttp had the same thought as you when they heard the imprisoning war in this game but as you dive deeper in this game it is not what you think.

 

Spoiler over.

Ok.  I had thought about  SS with Demise... but wasn't sure that was right either... because I belive ss proceeded alttp chronologically speaking.

 

Heh on spoiler....  but if you've played any Zelda game...the cycle almost repeats itself sans just a few games in the series. 

[purple_beard]

As I sit here today, I wonder a few things...

 

Aside from Ganon and Zelda amiibos coming, would they do the new champions?  I'd equate Ganon and Zelda to initial wave from botw, and likewise the champions as a similar wave 2.

 

What would be the dlc/expansion plans for the game?  We already got vehicles so I doubt bikes.  Ya know, if we got horses for land, loftwings for the sky?  Depths/Sky Island exploration expansion?    Work Twilight in?  I saw GX say vehicle blueprint swaps online.  I wonder if somehow a coop mode could work--doubt I'd use it but...

[Art_de_Cat]

Well Master Sword is obtained a few days ago, so final boss is all I have left story wise.  There are still a few pieces of armor, shrines, and side quests remaining.  I want to finish all shrines before final boss.  The armour pieces though....at this point I dont need their buffs even if they would be cool to have.  Most side quests left are just for rupees, so essentially just busy work.....just kinda wondering how much busy work I want to do before ending it.

[purple_beard]

So, umm, where is Hetsu exactly?

 

Gets flame shield...

 

But yeah... went online cause I figured I'd have run into him already....  watched a video about a forest location... never saw him....  does he operate out of different location possibilities for first encounter?

[Spring]

first time i saw hestu was near lindor's brow, and after that he hung out at lookout landing for ages until i bothered to save the forest and probably would have stayed there forever if i hadn't  he'll only go to lookout if you haven't saved the forest and you met him at lindor's first, and once the forest is saved he'll move there permanently

 

personally since i was already hanging around LL a ton during the main quests, it was way more convenient to just keep him there and i ended up not heading to the forest at all until i was nearly completely done with the game  

[EH_STEVE]

10 hours ago, purple_beard said:

So, umm, where is Hetsu exactly?

 

Gets flame shield...

 

But yeah... went online cause I figured I'd have run into him already....  watched a video about a forest location... never saw him....  does he operate out of different location possibilities for first encounter?

I found him once, then he fucked off somewhere and I couldn't figure out where. So I just made it my mission to get the Lost Woods ASAP.

[EH_STEVE]

Re: Timeline - I'm sort of on the side that BotW and TotK are almost reboots of the series and not part of the traditional, pre-existing timelines.

 

That or it's a sort of Flashpoint, convergence sort of thing where it almost takes some events from some games and converges them into a singular timeline. Sort of how there's reference to the Twilight Realm and Rito existing together.